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	== Old Saturn as the joint work of the Seraphim, Cherubim and Thrones ==		== Old Saturn as the joint work of the Seraphim, Cherubim and Thrones ==

	[[File:GA233a 015.gif\|right\|300px\|Old Saturn, drawing from GA 233a, p. 15]]		[[File:GA233a 015 en.gif\|right\|300px\|Old Saturn, drawing from GA 233a, p. 15]]

	{{GZ\|The choir of [[Seraphim]], [[Cherubim]], [[Thrones]] works together, and indeed it works together in such a way that the thrones establish a nucleus (see drawing; centre red-purple); the cherubim let their own light-filled being flow out from this nucleus (yellow ring). The seraphim wrap the whole in a mantle of enthusiasm which radiates far into the space of the world (red wrapping). But these are all beings in what I am drawing, in the centre the thrones, in the periphery the cherubim, in what is at the outermost here, the seraphim. These are beings that float, do, think, want, feel into each other. These are entities. And if a being, which had had the corresponding ability to feel, had now taken the path through the space where in this way the thrones have established a nucleus, the cherubim a kind of circumference, the seraphim a kind of conclusion towards the outside, if such a being had come into the sphere of this working of the first Hierarchy, it would have felt warmth in different different differentiations, warmth in different places, here higher warmth, there deeper warmth. But everything is soul-spiritual, but so soul-spiritual that the soul experience is at the same time a physical experience in our senses, so that when the being feels warm in the soul, it is really what you feel when you are in a heated room. Such an assembly of beings of the first Hierarchy once arose in the universe, and that formed the Saturnian existence. The warmth is merely the expression of the fact that these entities are there. Warmth is nothing, it is merely the expression of the fact that these entities are there."\|233a\|14f}}		{{GZ\|The choir of [[Seraphim]], [[Cherubim]], [[Thrones]] works together, and indeed it works together in such a way that the thrones establish a nucleus (see drawing; centre red-purple); the cherubim let their own light-filled being flow out from this nucleus (yellow ring). The seraphim wrap the whole in a mantle of enthusiasm which radiates far into the space of the world (red wrapping). But these are all beings in what I am drawing, in the centre the thrones, in the periphery the cherubim, in what is at the outermost here, the seraphim. These are beings that float, do, think, want, feel into each other. These are entities. And if a being, which had had the corresponding ability to feel, had now taken the path through the space where in this way the thrones have established a nucleus, the cherubim a kind of circumference, the seraphim a kind of conclusion towards the outside, if such a being had come into the sphere of this working of the first Hierarchy, it would have felt warmth in different different differentiations, warmth in different places, here higher warmth, there deeper warmth. But everything is soul-spiritual, but so soul-spiritual that the soul experience is at the same time a physical experience in our senses, so that when the being feels warm in the soul, it is really what you feel when you are in a heated room. Such an assembly of beings of the first Hierarchy once arose in the universe, and that formed the Saturnian existence. The warmth is merely the expression of the fact that these entities are there. Warmth is nothing, it is merely the expression of the fact that these entities are there."\|233a\|14f}}

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	[[File:Alter-saturn1.jpg\|~~mini~~\|400px\|Old Saturn, painting by F. Heinrich]]		[[File:Alter-saturn1.jpg\|thumb\|400px\|Old Saturn, painting by F. Heinrich]]

	The '''Old Saturn''', not to be confused with our present [[Saturn]], was according to [[Rudolf Steiner]] the first embodiment of our [[Earth]] or of our whole planetary system. It consisted entirely of heat and was a richly structured heat organism. Its extent reached from the present Sun to the present Saturn, which it would have swallowed up, so it was a giant planet. The [[Spirits of Will]] ([[Thrones]]), which surrounded the sphere of Saturn, guided Saturn's evolution. The highest regent of Saturn's evolution is called the [[God the Father\|Father]]. The Old Saturn came into being because the Thrones sacrificed the fire of will inherent in their being as an external heat substance. Saturn's world mission was to form the [[physical body]] outwardly and to give the possibility of [[will]] inwardly. {{GZ\|\|121\|86ff}} The Old Saturn was followed by the world development stage of the [[Old Sun]].		The '''Old Saturn''', not to be confused with our present [[Saturn]], was according to [[Rudolf Steiner]] the first embodiment of our [[Earth]] or of our whole planetary system. It consisted entirely of heat and was a richly structured heat organism. Its extent reached from the present Sun to the present Saturn, which it would have swallowed up, so it was a giant planet. The [[Spirits of Will]] ([[Thrones]]), which surrounded the sphere of Saturn, guided Saturn's evolution. The highest regent of Saturn's evolution is called the [[God the Father\|Father]]. The Old Saturn came into being because the Thrones sacrificed the fire of will inherent in their being as an external heat substance. Saturn's world mission was to form the [[physical body]] outwardly and to give the possibility of [[will]] inwardly. {{GZ\|\|121\|86ff}} The Old Saturn was followed by the world development stage of the [[Old Sun]].

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			[[File:Alter-saturn1.jpg\|mini\|400px\|Old Saturn, painting by F. Heinrich]]

	The '''Old Saturn''', not to be confused with our present [[Saturn]], was according to [[Rudolf Steiner]] the first embodiment of our [[Earth]] or of our whole planetary system. It consisted entirely of heat and was a richly structured heat organism. Its extent reached from the present Sun to the present Saturn, which it would have swallowed up, so it was a giant planet. The [[Spirits of Will]] ([[Thrones]]), which surrounded the sphere of Saturn, guided Saturn's evolution. The highest regent of Saturn's evolution is called the [[God the Father\|Father]]. The Old Saturn came into being because the Thrones sacrificed the fire of will inherent in their being as an external heat substance. Saturn's world mission was to form the [[physical body]] outwardly and to give the possibility of [[will]] inwardly. {{GZ\|\|121\|86ff}} The Old Saturn was followed by the world development stage of the [[Old Sun]].		The '''Old Saturn''', not to be confused with our present [[Saturn]], was according to [[Rudolf Steiner]] the first embodiment of our [[Earth]] or of our whole planetary system. It consisted entirely of heat and was a richly structured heat organism. Its extent reached from the present Sun to the present Saturn, which it would have swallowed up, so it was a giant planet. The [[Spirits of Will]] ([[Thrones]]), which surrounded the sphere of Saturn, guided Saturn's evolution. The highest regent of Saturn's evolution is called the [[God the Father\|Father]]. The Old Saturn came into being because the Thrones sacrificed the fire of will inherent in their being as an external heat substance. Saturn's world mission was to form the [[physical body]] outwardly and to give the possibility of [[will]] inwardly. {{GZ\|\|121\|86ff}} The Old Saturn was followed by the world development stage of the [[Old Sun]].

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	The '''Old Saturn''', not to be confused with our present [[Saturn]], was according to [[Rudolf Steiner]] the first embodiment of our [[Earth]] or of our whole planetary system. It consisted entirely of heat and was a richly structured heat organism. Its extent reached from the present Sun to the present Saturn, which it would have swallowed up, so it was a giant planet. The [[Spirits of Will]] ([[Thrones]]), which surrounded the sphere of Saturn, guided Saturn's evolution. The highest regent of Saturn's evolution is called the [[Father\|~~God the~~ Father]]. The Old Saturn came into being because the Thrones sacrificed the fire of will inherent in their being as an external heat substance. Saturn's world mission was to form the [[physical body]] outwardly and to give the possibility of [[will]] inwardly. {{GZ\|\|121\|86ff}} The Old Saturn was followed by the world development stage of the [[Old Sun]].		The '''Old Saturn''', not to be confused with our present [[Saturn]], was according to [[Rudolf Steiner]] the first embodiment of our [[Earth]] or of our whole planetary system. It consisted entirely of heat and was a richly structured heat organism. Its extent reached from the present Sun to the present Saturn, which it would have swallowed up, so it was a giant planet. The [[Spirits of Will]] ([[Thrones]]), which surrounded the sphere of Saturn, guided Saturn's evolution. The highest regent of Saturn's evolution is called the [[God the Father\|Father]]. The Old Saturn came into being because the Thrones sacrificed the fire of will inherent in their being as an external heat substance. Saturn's world mission was to form the [[physical body]] outwardly and to give the possibility of [[will]] inwardly. {{GZ\|\|121\|86ff}} The Old Saturn was followed by the world development stage of the [[Old Sun]].

	== Old Saturn as the joint work of the Seraphim, Cherubim and Thrones ==		== Old Saturn as the joint work of the Seraphim, Cherubim and Thrones ==
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	== The Members of the Spirits of Personality during their Humanity Stage ==		== The Members of the Spirits of Personality during their Humanity Stage ==

	When the present-day Primal Angels passed through their stage of humanity on ancient Saturn, their members of being were still quite different from those of today during the evolution of the Earth. At that time, their lowest element was the ego, which they were developing, and their highest was the [[Father God]].		When the present-day Primal Angels passed through their stage of humanity on ancient Saturn, their members of being were still quite different from those of today during the evolution of the Earth. At that time, their lowest element was the ego, which they were developing, and their highest was the [[God the Father\|Father God]].

	{{GZ\|As independently as the human being of today works, so certain beings worked on Saturn who at that time were on the human level. They could not be shaped like the human being of today, since heat was the only substance on Saturn. But in terms of their intelligence, their ego-consciousness, they were on the level of the human being of today; yet they could not form a physical body, a brain. Let us look at them a little more closely. The human being of today consists of a quadruplicity: physical body, etheric body, astral body and the ego, and in the ego preformed spirit-self, life-spirit and spirit-man - Manas, Buddhi, Atma. The lowest, though in its nature the most perfect member on the earth-planet is the physical body, the next highest the etheric body, then the astral body and the ego. Now there are also beings who have no physical body, whose lowest member is the etheric body. They do not need the physical body to be active in our sensual world; instead they have a limb that is higher than our seventh. Other beings have the astral body as their lowest limb and a ninth for it, and still others, who have the ego as their lowest limb, have a tenth for it. If we look at the entities that have the ego as their lowest member, we must say that they consist of the ego, spirit self, life spirit, spirit man. Then comes the eighth, ninth and tenth members, what Christian esotericism calls the divine Trinity: Holy Spirit, Son or Word, Father. In theosophical literature one is accustomed to call them the three Logoi.		{{GZ\|As independently as the human being of today works, so certain beings worked on Saturn who at that time were on the human level. They could not be shaped like the human being of today, since heat was the only substance on Saturn. But in terms of their intelligence, their ego-consciousness, they were on the level of the human being of today; yet they could not form a physical body, a brain. Let us look at them a little more closely. The human being of today consists of a quadruplicity: physical body, etheric body, astral body and the ego, and in the ego preformed spirit-self, life-spirit and spirit-man - Manas, Buddhi, Atma. The lowest, though in its nature the most perfect member on the earth-planet is the physical body, the next highest the etheric body, then the astral body and the ego. Now there are also beings who have no physical body, whose lowest member is the etheric body. They do not need the physical body to be active in our sensual world; instead they have a limb that is higher than our seventh. Other beings have the astral body as their lowest limb and a ninth for it, and still others, who have the ego as their lowest limb, have a tenth for it. If we look at the entities that have the ego as their lowest member, we must say that they consist of the ego, spirit self, life spirit, spirit man. Then comes the eighth, ninth and tenth members, what Christian esotericism calls the divine Trinity: Holy Spirit, Son or Word, Father. In theosophical literature one is accustomed to call them the three Logoi.

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	The '''Old Saturn''', not to be confused with our present [[Saturn]], was according to [[Rudolf Steiner]] the first embodiment of our [[Earth]] or of our whole planetary system. It consisted entirely of heat and was a richly structured heat organism. Its extent reached from the present Sun to the present Saturn, which it would have swallowed up, so it was a giant planet. The [[Spirits of Will]] ([[Thrones]]), which surrounded the sphere of Saturn, guided Saturn's evolution. The highest regent of Saturn's evolution is called the [[Father]]. The Old Saturn came into being because the Thrones sacrificed the fire of will inherent in their being as an external heat substance. Saturn's world mission was to form the [[physical body]] outwardly and to give the possibility of [[will]] inwardly. {{GZ\|\|121\|86ff}} The Old Saturn was followed by the world development stage of the [[Old Sun]].		The '''Old Saturn''', not to be confused with our present [[Saturn]], was according to [[Rudolf Steiner]] the first embodiment of our [[Earth]] or of our whole planetary system. It consisted entirely of heat and was a richly structured heat organism. Its extent reached from the present Sun to the present Saturn, which it would have swallowed up, so it was a giant planet. The [[Spirits of Will]] ([[Thrones]]), which surrounded the sphere of Saturn, guided Saturn's evolution. The highest regent of Saturn's evolution is called the [[Father\|God the Father]]. The Old Saturn came into being because the Thrones sacrificed the fire of will inherent in their being as an external heat substance. Saturn's world mission was to form the [[physical body]] outwardly and to give the possibility of [[will]] inwardly. {{GZ\|\|121\|86ff}} The Old Saturn was followed by the world development stage of the [[Old Sun]].

	== Old Saturn as the joint work of the Seraphim, Cherubim and Thrones ==		== Old Saturn as the joint work of the Seraphim, Cherubim and Thrones ==
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	== The Members of the Spirits of Personality during their Humanity Stage ==		== The Members of the Spirits of Personality during their Humanity Stage ==

	When the present-day Primal Angels passed through their stage of humanity on ancient Saturn, their members of being were still quite different from those of today during the evolution of the Earth. At that time, their lowest element was the ego, which they were developing, and their highest was the [[Father-God]].		When the present-day Primal Angels passed through their stage of humanity on ancient Saturn, their members of being were still quite different from those of today during the evolution of the Earth. At that time, their lowest element was the ego, which they were developing, and their highest was the [[Father God]].

	{{GZ\|As independently as the human being of today works, so certain beings worked on Saturn who at that time were on the human level. They could not be shaped like the human being of today, since heat was the only substance on Saturn. But in terms of their intelligence, their ego-consciousness, they were on the level of the human being of today; yet they could not form a physical body, a brain. Let us look at them a little more closely. The human being of today consists of a quadruplicity: physical body, etheric body, astral body and the ego, and in the ego preformed spirit-self, life-spirit and spirit-man - Manas, Buddhi, Atma. The lowest, though in its nature the most perfect member on the earth-planet is the physical body, the next highest the etheric body, then the astral body and the ego. Now there are also beings who have no physical body, whose lowest member is the etheric body. They do not need the physical body to be active in our sensual world; instead they have a limb that is higher than our seventh. Other beings have the astral body as their lowest limb and a ninth for it, and still others, who have the ego as their lowest limb, have a tenth for it. If we look at the entities that have the ego as their lowest member, we must say that they consist of the ego, spirit self, life spirit, spirit man. Then comes the eighth, ninth and tenth members, what Christian esotericism calls the divine Trinity: Holy Spirit, Son or Word, Father. In theosophical literature one is accustomed to call them the three Logoi.		{{GZ\|As independently as the human being of today works, so certain beings worked on Saturn who at that time were on the human level. They could not be shaped like the human being of today, since heat was the only substance on Saturn. But in terms of their intelligence, their ego-consciousness, they were on the level of the human being of today; yet they could not form a physical body, a brain. Let us look at them a little more closely. The human being of today consists of a quadruplicity: physical body, etheric body, astral body and the ego, and in the ego preformed spirit-self, life-spirit and spirit-man - Manas, Buddhi, Atma. The lowest, though in its nature the most perfect member on the earth-planet is the physical body, the next highest the etheric body, then the astral body and the ego. Now there are also beings who have no physical body, whose lowest member is the etheric body. They do not need the physical body to be active in our sensual world; instead they have a limb that is higher than our seventh. Other beings have the astral body as their lowest limb and a ninth for it, and still others, who have the ego as their lowest limb, have a tenth for it. If we look at the entities that have the ego as their lowest member, we must say that they consist of the ego, spirit self, life spirit, spirit man. Then comes the eighth, ninth and tenth members, what Christian esotericism calls the divine Trinity: Holy Spirit, Son or Word, Father. In theosophical literature one is accustomed to call them the three Logoi.

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	== Old Saturn as the joint work of the Seraphim, Cherubim and Thrones ==		== Old Saturn as the joint work of the Seraphim, Cherubim and Thrones ==

	[[File:GA233a 015.gif\|right\|~~400px~~\|Old Saturn, drawing from GA 233a, p. 15]]		[[File:GA233a 015.gif\|right\|300px\|Old Saturn, drawing from GA 233a, p. 15]]

	{{GZ\|The choir of [[Seraphim]], [[Cherubim]], [[Thrones]] works together, and indeed it works together in such a way that the thrones establish a nucleus (see drawing; centre red-purple); the cherubim let their own light-filled being flow out from this nucleus (yellow ring). The seraphim wrap the whole in a mantle of enthusiasm which radiates far into the space of the world (red wrapping). But these are all beings in what I am drawing, in the centre the thrones, in the periphery the cherubim, in what is at the outermost here, the seraphim. These are beings that float, do, think, want, feel into each other. These are entities. And if a being, which had had the corresponding ability to feel, had now taken the path through the space where in this way the thrones have established a nucleus, the cherubim a kind of circumference, the seraphim a kind of conclusion towards the outside, if such a being had come into the sphere of this working of the first Hierarchy, it would have felt warmth in different different differentiations, warmth in different places, here higher warmth, there deeper warmth. But everything is soul-spiritual, but so soul-spiritual that the soul experience is at the same time a physical experience in our senses, so that when the being feels warm in the soul, it is really what you feel when you are in a heated room. Such an assembly of beings of the first Hierarchy once arose in the universe, and that formed the Saturnian existence. The warmth is merely the expression of the fact that these entities are there. Warmth is nothing, it is merely the expression of the fact that these entities are there."\|233a\|14f}}		{{GZ\|The choir of [[Seraphim]], [[Cherubim]], [[Thrones]] works together, and indeed it works together in such a way that the thrones establish a nucleus (see drawing; centre red-purple); the cherubim let their own light-filled being flow out from this nucleus (yellow ring). The seraphim wrap the whole in a mantle of enthusiasm which radiates far into the space of the world (red wrapping). But these are all beings in what I am drawing, in the centre the thrones, in the periphery the cherubim, in what is at the outermost here, the seraphim. These are beings that float, do, think, want, feel into each other. These are entities. And if a being, which had had the corresponding ability to feel, had now taken the path through the space where in this way the thrones have established a nucleus, the cherubim a kind of circumference, the seraphim a kind of conclusion towards the outside, if such a being had come into the sphere of this working of the first Hierarchy, it would have felt warmth in different different differentiations, warmth in different places, here higher warmth, there deeper warmth. But everything is soul-spiritual, but so soul-spiritual that the soul experience is at the same time a physical experience in our senses, so that when the being feels warm in the soul, it is really what you feel when you are in a heated room. Such an assembly of beings of the first Hierarchy once arose in the universe, and that formed the Saturnian existence. The warmth is merely the expression of the fact that these entities are there. Warmth is nothing, it is merely the expression of the fact that these entities are there."\|233a\|14f}}

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The '''Old Saturn''', not to be confused with our present [[Saturn]], was according to [[Rudolf Steiner]] the first embodiment of our [[Earth]] or of our whole planetary system. It consisted entirely of heat and was a richly structured heat organism. Its extent reached from the present Sun to the present Saturn, which it would have swallowed up, so it was a giant planet. The [[Spirits of Will]] ([[Thrones]]), which surrounded the sphere of Saturn, guided Saturn's evolution. The highest regent of Saturn's evolution is called the [[Father]]. The Old Saturn came into being because the Thrones sacrificed the fire of will inherent in their being as an external heat substance. Saturn's world mission was to form the [[physical body]] outwardly and to give the possibility of [[will]] inwardly. {{GZ||121|86ff}} The Old Saturn was followed by the world development stage of the [[Old Sun]].

==Literature==
* [[Rudolf Steiner]]: ''Aus der Akasha-Chronik'', [[GA 11]] (1904-1908), Kapitel ''Das Leben des Saturn'' {{Lectures|011}}
* [[Rudolf Steiner]]: ''Die Geheimwissenschaft im Umriß'', [[GA 13]] (1909), Kapitel ''Die Weltentwicklung und der Mensch'' {{Lectures|013}}
* [[Rudolf Steiner]]: ''Die Theosophie des Rosenkreuzers'', [[GA 99]], Neunter Vortrag, München, 2. Juni 1907 {{Lectures|099}}
* [[Rudolf Steiner]]: ''Geistige Hierarchien und ihre Widerspiegelung in der physischen Welt'', [[GA 110]], Dritter Vortrag, Düsseldorf, 13. April 1909 {{Lectures|110}}
* [[Rudolf Steiner]]: ''Die Mission einzelner Volksseelen'', [[GA 121]] (1982), Fünfter Vortrag, Kristiania, 11. Juni 1910 {{Lectures|121}}
* [[Rudolf Steiner]]: ''Mysterienstätten des Mittelalters'', [[GA 233a]] (1991), ISBN 3-7274-2335-8 {{Lectures|233a}}

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